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This can be a rush transcript of “Fox Information Sunday” on February 26, 2022. This copy might not be in its last type and could also be up to date.


The primary Republican debate is now formally teed up for Milwaukee in August. Three notable candidates are actually within the race. Who else is about to take the leap?


DONALD TRUMP, FORMER PRESIDENT: I am thrilled to be again on this stunning state.


NIKKI HALEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It is an incredible day in South Carolina.

SEN. TIM SCOTT (R-SC): Good day, Iowa!

BREAM (voice-over): Senator Tim Scott assessments the waters after chatter he possibly the following Republican to leap in and problem Donald Trump for the White Home. The South Carolina Republican joins us to debate his political aspirations and his Religion in America Tour. Senator Tim Scott solely on “FOX Information Sunday”.

And issues mount as China seems to develop nearer to Russia.

JOHN KIRBY, WHITE HOUSE NSC SPOKESMAN: Clearly, that might have very, very unhealthy ramifications.

BREAM: Now, China is looking for an finish to the battle in Ukraine amid stories Beijing is aiding Putin’s battle effort. We’ll sit down with Senator Ben Cardin, a member of the Senate Overseas Relations Committee on heightened tensions and Putin’s vow to droop participation in a key nuclear arms settlement.

Then, the forewoman of the particular grand jury investigating Trump’s actions in Georgia after 2020 goes on a media blitz hinting about indictments.

EMILY KOHRS, TRUMP GRAND JUROR: There are actually names that you’ll acknowledge.

BREAM: We’ll ask our Sunday panel whether or not her actions may undermine the credibility of the prosecution’s case.

Plus, a glance contained in the sketchbook of the courtroom professional that takes you contained in the nation’s greatest instances.

All proper now on “FOX Information Sunday.”


BREAM (on digital camera): Good day, from FOX Information in Washington.

We’re nonetheless a few 12 months out from seeing voters head to the polls in 2024 primaries, however the Republican area is taking form with a number of candidates already declared. And there’s a prolonged roster of potential candidates promising selections within the coming months. A lot of these high-profile names are making high-profile journeys to these early main and caucus states.

In a second, we are going to converse dwell with Republican Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina who was the topic of some current hypothesis contemporary out of Iowa.

However, first, a have a look at his current travels to that all-important state.


SCOTT: As I hear extra from the constituency right here in Iowa and across the nation, it’s going to give me extra info on what to do subsequent.

BREAM (voice-over): Tim Scott’s travels in Iowa have the texture of a marketing campaign minus the official announcement.

SCOTT: For America to be at our greatest, we’ve to work collectively.

BREAM: His Religion in America Tour is the most recent in a quick rise from a single-parent residence to congressman to senator.

THEN-GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: I want to introduce to you our Senate-elect Tim Scott.

BREAM: Because the Senate’s solely Black Republican, Scott has labored for bipartisan consensus on powerful points.

SCOTT: I feel the problem of policing in America severely. I would like our physique to see it not as a difficulty of Republicans versus Democrats, however nearly as good folks standing within the hole elected to do a job that all of us ran to do.

BREAM: At the moment, Scott is sharing his story of rising up poor impressed by his mom.

SCOTT: My mother mentioned, we may very well be victims or victors. She selected victorious.

BREAM: He is targeted on the constructive however he is taking pictures at President Biden.

SCOTT: I perceive that President Biden lives previously as a result of he is been in Washington for 50 years.

BREAM: He’s drawn critical 2024 hypothesis however is now within the spot to make the case for himself.

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: What are the variations when it comes to coverage positions that is, for instance, you will have with President Trump.

SCOTT: Most likely not very many in any respect.


BREAM: So, becoming a member of us now to debate his potential White Home run, South Carolina Senator Tim Scott.

Senator, welcome again to “FOX Information Sunday”.

SEN. TIM SCOTT (R-SC): Good morning, Shannon. I hope you are doing effectively.

BREAM: I’m. I hope you’re as effectively. I am certain you are a bit jetlagged since you spent a variety of time in Iowa and that is gotten a variety of discover. You’ve got been testing a message there.

Do you now see a lane for you within the 2024 GOP main?

SCOTT: You understand, Shannon, extra importantly than a lane for me is, do we’ve lane for younger children rising up in single-parent households like I did? mothers, single moms who’re working 16 hours a day like my mother did, can we be certain that the lane to the American Dream is broad open for them?

I spent the day with Governor Reynolds who simply handed monumental college alternative reform, a robust instrument to be sure that mother and father have a alternative and youngsters have an opportunity.

So, my focus remains to be on the mission of creating certain that each single American believes that the American Dream is achievable for them.

BREAM: So, you discuss with an optimistic message, and we talked about how you’re highlighting religion not solely within the spiritual sense, however that you really want People to place confidence in one another.  

I wish to put up our current FOX Information ballot —

SCOTT: Sure. 

BREAM: — about how People really feel about issues right this moment. They are saying, we’re dysfunctional household, 81 % of them.

Is it practical to consider that you simply or another politician can get us out of our corners and get folks again to a spot the place there is not a lot division?

SCOTT: There is no doubt, Shannon, that once you have a look at that ballot, that is one of many the reason why I feel it is actually necessary for us to return ahead and have an genuine and honest dialog in regards to the goodness of America. In right this moment’s society, the progressive left is attempting to make America into grievance tradition when in actual fact we have at all times stood on the muse of greatness.

Our authentic sin ought to by no means outline us as a result of the story of redemption is what we have been dwelling by greater than 50-plus years. The best story of progress on this planet is American progress within the final 50 years. I want we might spend extra time speaking in regards to the goodness of this nation and cease the cancel tradition.

BREAM: OK. Let’s speak about this constructive message in speaking about issues like cancel tradition. Will it work?

“The New York Instances” says this about your property being optimistic and presumably history-making because the nominee. Each of these property may show to be a legal responsibility in right this moment’s Republican main setting the place voters rail in opposition to what they see is unfair favoritism towards folks of colour and the place activists could also be extra excited about anger than optimism.

All people says they hate damaging advertisements. They do not just like the political sniping. However the numbers present us they really labored.

So, will this optimistic message work?

SCOTT: Effectively, actually, I feel it is at all times labored. I imply, America is a rustic based on the idea of hope.

Give it some thought this manner — a world with out America is a really darkish place. America with out religion is a nation with out hope. So we undoubtedly need to proceed to work on the muse that we’ve stood upon for the final 250-plus years.

However along with that, we’ve to have the ability to distinction between why we’re an incredible nation and why the left desires us to speak in regards to the grievance. The actual fact is that the left is attempting to promote a drug of victimhood and a narcotic of despair.

The reality is we’ve a lot to rejoice and but right this moment, in lots of elements of the nation, you’re feeling such as you’re in quicksand. We must always not permit the zip code of a kid to find out the standard of their life as a result of training is essentially the most highly effective instrument to equalize alternative on this nation. However there are poor zip codes the place that is not attainable.

We have now to do one thing about that as one American household and, frankly, governors like Kim Reynolds and others are beginning to take that accountability, and show that we because the GOP, the nice alternative get together, we love America, we love our youngsters, and admittedly, we’re the most effective hope for a united future.

BREAM: OK. I wish to speak about college alternative in a minute however a few different issues about your —

SCOTT: Sure, ma’am.

BREAM: — journey to Iowa.

So, not all people thought your message was uplifting, together with this one reporter from “The New York Journal’s” “Intelligencer”. He says this: It is exhausting to recall a extra stridently asserted expression of perception that the path to nationwide peace and unity requires the subjugation of 1 get together by the opposite, the Scott speech was a relentlessly partisan screed accusing Joe Biden and the left of pursuing a blueprint for ruining America.

So, how does that sq. with the message of us having religion in one another as People?

SCOTT: Effectively, Shannon, that is an incredible query. And as soon as once more, it goes again to the distinction that’s mandatory. I am a hopeful man not as a result of I did not have to beat issues. I had a depressing starting, rising up in a single-parent family mired in poverty, the challenges that I face from vanity to low grades have been monumental.

I overcame these challenges with grit, exhausting work, and inspiration. And so, the reality is, the left right this moment, they appear to be engaged on a blueprint on find out how to wreck America. For those who needed to wreck America, you’ll print and spend trillions of {dollars} resulting in the best inflation we have seen in 40 years.

Why is that damaging to level out the truth that beneath Joe Biden’s management, we have had the best inflation in 40 years? Why is it damaging to level out that we have had 4 and a half million folks throughout our southern border illegally? Why is it damaging to level out the truth that we have had 100,000 deaths to overdoses linked to fentanyl 1000’s upon 1000’s of these deaths?

If we do not perceive the state of America and the weak spot of the progressive motion, then it is unattainable for us to supply constructive optimistic options to the challenges that we face due to the progressive wing of the Democratic Celebration.

BREAM: You contact there and also you do typically about your private story. It’s extremely inspiriting and compelling to folks whether or not they assist you or not, however even your supporters say there has to been extra.

An opinion piece very favorable to you says this: you are a gifted candidate discovering your theme, however you need to watch out to not substitute first-person narrative for an argument about why he’s the proper individual to guide the nation.

So when you get in, what’s the argument for you policy-wise versus President Trump or anyone else who will get into this area? How are you completely different or higher than the opposite choices?

SCOTT: Effectively, Shannon, one of many issues I like to take time to speak about, I hope we’ve about half-hour left to have this dialog is the coverage —


BREAM: Barely much less.

SCOTT: OK, it sounds good.

The coverage positions that I’ve taken. Probably the most necessary elements of being within the majority was the chance we’ve with the Tax and Reduce and Jobs Act. I had the great fortune to be the lead sponsor of the TCJA on the private aspect of the tax code.

So I had the chance to assist write that particular laws. And we have lowered their taxes for a single mother by 70 %. We promised to place greater than $4,000 again within the common household’s pocket, we ended up round $4,400.

We have been capable of decrease unemployment for African-People, Hispanics and Asians to the bottom stage within the historical past of the nation and the bottom stage since World Conflict II for ladies.

We truly noticed extra money come to the Treasury with decrease taxes than anybody imagined and at the very same time, wages grew on the backside quicker than on the high.

I created alternative zones, my signature laws, that has seen greater than $50 billion assault poverty within the hardest hit areas of the nation.

On the similar time I targeted on training, I began the College Selection Caucus. We led to the best stage of funding for HBCUs Within the historical past of the nation after which we made it everlasting.

I led on the overwhelming majority of these items of laws, I’ve labored on police reform the place we wish to be sure that the most effective wore the badge, that the officers have the most effective sources, the most effective coaching, and we by no means questioned their certified immunity.

We needed to stand within the hole when it issues essentially the most — which means main from the entrance and never from the again.

BREAM: I wish to be certain that rapidly if we are able to as a result of I wish to couple’s — to a few these points.

SCOTT: Sure, ma’am.

BREAM: College alternative. Lisa Lightner, a particular training advocate, mentioned what you do is find yourself hurting public faculties once you let mother and father take the cash elsewhere. She says the imaginative and prescient is that the identical sum of money unfold out over extra faculties, solely the most effective would survive. If a public college has to compete with the constitution or personal college, it’s going to discover a method to change into higher.

However she requested, how can they enhance when you take much more cash from them? It is simply not attainable.

Your response?

SCOTT: So, let us take a look at Success Academy in New York Metropolis the place you see the populations are about 87 % minority and but their faculties are the highest within the state of New York. What we have seen very constantly, constitution faculties will get about half the cash as public faculties, but there are public constitution faculties that present alternative for the mother and father and higher high quality training.

Out of the highest 25 % of excessive faculties within the nation, greater than — about 12 or about half of these are constitution faculties. So what we’re seeing across the nation is a hit of some type of college alternative.

And, by the best way, I do not care whether or not it is a public college, a personal college, a constitution college, a STEM college, a house college, a digital college, I would like each youngster in each zip code to have high quality training. That ought to enhance all facets of training, not cut back funding.

BREAM: So, I requested Ambassador Haley about this final week, that this text that claims the GOP — basically U.N. Ambassador Haley give GOP cowl on message of grace. It says, Scott’s message is that racism shouldn’t be an institutional or systemic downside, however a person failing. That is exactly what conservatives wish to hear to allow them to say, effectively, I am not a racist, which suggests we do not have to do a lot of something about racism.

SCOTT: The one phrase I can consider is hogwash. The actual fact of the matter is I used to be Austin on Friday having a dialog with a number of hundred GOPers and we talked particularly about how the Jim Crow South impacted my household particularly.

My grandfather made the selection to be cussed in his religion, his religion sooner or later, religion in himself and religion on this nation. However we needed to overcome these challenges.

What I do not like is after we hear President Biden speak about Jim Crow 2.0 when my household lived by Jim Crow, and that is once you had to determine the variety of jellybeans within the jar as a way to forged a poll. To recommend that the present Georgia election legal guidelines are in step with Jim Crow is only a lie.

And so, what we’ve to do is be sure that we arm our folks right this moment with the challenges of right this moment and never fake like we’re dwelling in 1923 versus 2023.

BREAM: All proper. So, we’ve to go, Senator, however do you might have a timeline for making an announcement or determination?

SCOTT: Effectively, I’ll — I decided to go to church at 11:30 right this moment.

BREAM: I might be following you there after the present as effectively.

If you resolve about your political future —

SCOTT: Amen.

BREAM: — please tell us.

SCOTT: Sure, ma’am. Have an incredible day.

BREAM: Senator, thanks.

Up subsequent, the battle in Ukraine passes the one 12 months mark amid rising issues about shortages of army tools within the U.S. and past. Democrat Senator Ben Cardin joins us subsequent dwell.


BREAM: China desires the world to view it as a peacemaker, now calling for a cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine. However the transfer is prompting skepticism within the West amid stories that Beijing is contemplating offering Russia with army help.

Becoming a member of me now, Maryland Democrat Senator Ben Cardin, a member of the Senate Overseas Relations Committee.

Senator, welcome again to “FOX Information Sunday”.

SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-MD): Good to be with you. Thanks, Shannon.

BREAM: And also you’re contemporary again from Europe, the place you sat down with leaders from all around the world to have these conversations about the place you go subsequent.

CARDIN: Completely. We have been in Vienna. There was conferences of the OSCE, Group for Safety and Cooperation in Europe’s parliamentary meeting. We met with many delegations together with the Ukrainians who have been there within the metropolis, not within the venue corridor due to the Russian presence.

However we had a chance to indicate unity in assist of Ukraine, to clarify that Russia — that is Russia’s battle of aggression.

BREAM: Let’s speak about this, the function of China right here, as a result of each Ukrainian president and the Russian president have mentioned they plan too or they’ll meet with President Xi. So, China is true in the midst of this complete factor at this level.

We have a brand-new Fox Information ballot out this morning that exhibits 68 % of People suppose China is a significant menace to that U.S., add one other 26 % who say there are some threats. That is 94 % of People who actually do not belief China.

What do you make of their rising function in the midst of this Russian- Ukrainian battle?

CARDIN: I am with the 68 %. I do suppose China is a significant menace in opposition to the USA.

Look, they’re encouraging this battle by working with Russia, now maybe offering further weapons for Russia to have the ability to pursue this battle of aggression. That is an assault on the sovereignty of the democratic state. There is no query that Ukraine is the entrance line, however Russia is not going to cease there.

And China is aiding that, so China is a significant menace in opposition to the USA.

BREAM: So, to that time about doubtlessly sending overly deadly help, “The Washington Submit” stories on it, it says: If China does transfer ahead, it would be the primary time that Beijing has achieved that on this battle regardless of repeated warnings by the USA to not present such assist.

It would not sound like they’re very afraid of our warnings.

CARDIN: Effectively, China must know there might be penalties. So, we have remoted Russia economically. We will do the identical factor with regard to sanctions in opposition to China.

China wants to grasp they have to be on the proper aspect of historical past right here. And an assault on the sovereignty of an unbiased state, what Russia has achieved as a battle of aggression and China must be with us within the overwhelming majority of the world to talk out.

The vote in the USA Safety Council — Common Meeting indicated the broad understanding of who’s liable for this battle. China sat on the sidelines on that vote. That was fallacious. However clearly, they need to be on the proper aspect of historical past.

BREAM: So China was among the many 32 who abstained. They did not wish to vote on this measure that mentioned that Russia’s invasion was fallacious and it has to cease. Secretary Blinken can even go to three nations this week, who did the identical factor, they obtained for voting, so what ought to his message be to them?

CARDIN: You possibly can’t sit on the sidelines. You bought to select a aspect right here and the one aspect is true, one aspect as fallacious. Russia is fallacious.

So, when you’re aiding Russia, you’re aiding an aggressor who’s attempting to invade the sovereignty of an unbiased state and your nation may very well be subsequent. So be part of us in standing up in opposition to this assault on sovereignty.

BREAM: I wish to put up some model new polling that we received this morning. There’s a measurement of President Biden’s job efficiency on the variety of issues. The highest 4 all relate to overseas coverage: Russia, Ukraine, the Chinese language spy balloon, nationwide safety, overseas coverage.

He’s the wrong way up on all of that, and the disapproval outweighing the approval. So People suppose that the president is failing on these foreign-policy fronts and a majority of Democrats who’re main voters when requested about whether or not they need him to run once more, 53 % say they wish to see another person.

The place do you stand on that? Ought to he run once more?

CARDIN: I feel President Biden has proven not solely world management for the USA. I noticed that at this assembly the place the U.S. and President Biden have been so revered, his go to to Kyiv, his deal with in Warsaw. It actually reunited the free world.

And domestically, I feel the power to go up a significant agenda throughout the first two years exhibits that he is aware of find out how to deal with our home agenda, rebuild our infrastructure, take care of the CHIPS and Science invoice, to tackle China as worldwide competitor, to take care of local weather change.

I feel his management has been very helpful for our nation and I feel he might be proven traditionally to have been a really efficient president.

BREAM: Why do you suppose the polls do not mirror that? As a result of the numbers getting worse once you get into issues like immigration, inflation, the financial system. Persons are more and more considering this president shouldn’t be getting the job achieved.

CARDIN: I feel the challenges of typical American households has excessive — there’s excessive costs. We have now to take care of that. The truth that it is troublesome to make ends meet.

I feel President Biden understands. He is clearly addressed inflation. We have diminished inflation on this nation, however I feel it is troublesome right this moment for a household and that is mirrored in a few of the fashionable polls.

BREAM: It’s. Okay, so let’s go — I wish to get extra of the overseas coverage stuff as a result of we’re a 12 months into this now, and we’re now listening to growing issues about stock, what we are able to present and others world wide can present in Ukraine.

The Military secretary mentioned this week it may very well be 2024, or 2025, by the point it takes that we have — pledge can truly get there. The Heart for Strategic and Worldwide Research says six essential U.S. methods, these are missiles, ammunition, these sorts of issues, artillery, are getting depleted. They are saying most inventories will take a few years to switch and stock replenishment will change into an more and more urgent downside.

After which the secretary-general of NATO mentioned this on Thursday.


JENS STOLTENBERG, NATO SECRETARY GENERAL: The problem now could be that the consumption of artillery shells is increased our manufacturing. Thus far, we’ve depleted our shares, however this isn’t sustainable.


BREAM: So, how can we take care of the fact that the U.S. and different, , Western nations who’re attempting to assist Ukraine listed below are operating brief on army provides? We do not have a very good plan for replenishing them and the way susceptible that will lead us if we find yourself in one other battle some place else, god forbid, China and Taiwan?

CARDIN: Let me let you know, Russia is depleting its provides. It is having a problem supplying their troops with the mandatory tools to pursue this battle of aggression.

We clearly have been extraordinarily useful to Ukraine. They’ve acknowledged that. It isn’t simply the USA. It is actually been our coalition.

Sure, we have to replenish the tools and make extra refined tools accessible. We have to deliver this battle to an finish with Ukraine’s victory and which means supplying them with the tools they should efficiently defend their sovereignty.

It will be a problem, make no mistake about it, however we have had coordination on the provision chains and we have been very efficient in supplying it. There is a restrict as to what Ukrainians can use, however we’ve to ensure they’ve every little thing they want.

BREAM: What about our affect of having the ability to replenish that stock we talked about? This report talks about what number of years it could take us to catch up. If this battle, sadly, no person sees the top in sight or the end line, the place does that depart us susceptible to different locations in a world have been we might get drawn into conflicts?

CARDIN: We have now what we have to defend ourselves. We’re persevering with to replenish what we want. We’re not going to go beneath a essential stage as a way to defend our nationwide safety.

However make no mistake about it: our nationwide safety is on the entrance line in Ukraine right this moment. It is in the USA’ curiosity to be sure that Ukraine wins this battle. So our investments listed below are to assist us defend our personal nation.

BREAM: You understand there are these — your colleagues are amongst them on the Hill who’re calling for extra of an articulation from the White Home about what our nationwide safety pursuits are there, the place our commitments begun and finish there.

Mike Lee, Republican senator, tweeted this out this week. He says: After sending $113 billion to Ukraine in 2022, why ought to the U.S. even contemplate sending extra money till each NATO member has begun spending not less than 2 % of its GDP on protection and has been not less than as a lot of its GDP on the Ukraine help because the U.S. did in 2022?

Does he have a degree?

CARDIN: Effectively, we do consider that each NATO ought to spend not less than 2 % on protection and we’ve a recreation plan to make {that a} actuality and we have seen great progress on our NATO allies. What we have to do, after all, we’ve Sweden and Finland. We have to broaden NATO to incorporate these two nations. We’re within the technique of doing that.

We would like our European allies to do their fair proportion and they’re shifting in the proper path.

However make no mistake about it: Ukraine wants our assist now. We have now to produce the assistance now as a result of it is a essential second within the battle.

We do not need this to be a protracted marketing campaign. We wish to win is rapidly as attainable. We wish to assist Ukraine obtain these objects.

BREAM: Andy McCarthy, our colleague right here at FOX, wrote a bit this week and he talked about how far we’re prepared to go. For those who’re estimating $100 billion to $200 billion a 12 months, can we do this for 3 years, 5 years, eight years? And Andy says, if we’ll do this, we’ve to resolve what we reduce on this time domestically.

As , we have already hit the debt — the debt ceiling. You guys are going to have some powerful votes. Or does that imply that this invoice simply goes to our kids and grandchildren? How can we stability these competing fiscal pursuits?

CARDIN: Shannon, it is an incredible query. We have now to take care of the finances realities and we’ve to return collectively, Democrats and Republicans. We have now, as , the Home is managed by Republicans. The Senate, us (ph) Democrats.

We have come collectively for the finances plan for our nation. Nationwide safety needs to be a precedence. The quantity of sources have been placing into Ukraine will come again to learn us in the long term.

So we actually want to ensure they’ve every little thing they should win this marketing campaign. That is the speedy situation is to ensure Ukraine wins this battle. However we additionally need to be sure that we keep robust in our nationwide protection and our home priorities are additionally funded and do it in a accountable means that doesn’t add to the deficits of this nation, recognizing it is not truthful for our kids and grandchildren.

BREAM: Yeah. We want you all of you on Capitol Hill good luck with figuring that out.

Senator, thanks for coming in. All the time good to have you ever.

CARDIN: Thanks.

BREAM: Up subsequent, we are going to discuss 2024 and share our brand-new FOX Information polls simply this hour. We’ll herald our Sunday group subsequent for a have a look at the place Republican voters stand with regards to the massive names of their get together, subsequent.


BREAM: We have brand-new Fox Information polls this morning. And one 12 months out from the 2024 primaries, we’ve a deep dive into which names voters wish to see on the poll.

Proper now, 43 % of Republican main voters selected Donald Trump as their most well-liked nominee. That is adopted by Ron DeSantis with 28 %. Nikki Haley and Mike Pence every at 7 %. Texas Governor Greg Abbott and former Wyoming Congresswoman Liz Cheney every at 2 %. All others getting 1 % or much less.

In the meantime, on the Democratic aspect, 53 % of main voters want to see somebody apart from Joe Biden run, however 37 % say they do wish to see the president again on the ticket.

Let’s run the numbers with our Sunday group.

District Media Group President Beverly Hallberg, Axiom Methods co- founder and CEO Jeff Roe, former DNC communications director Mo Elleithee, and “Axios” senior politics reporter Josh Kraushaar.

Welcome, all people.



BREAM: OK, so we wish to put that again up, the GOP ballot. There are a variety of names on there. One among them you heard from a short while in the past, Tim Scott.

Jeff, does it make sense for him to get in? Do you see a lane?

ROE: Certain. Completely. He ought to get in. He is an incredible voice for the Republican Celebration. He is been an incredible senator. However the actuality is, is it is a two-person race between Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis. Almost 75 % of the voters have chosen between these two. We have not seen that from a governor and even frankly a senator have that sort of energy this early in a – in a presidential main.

So, the fact is, this might be a really small area. Lots of people have been speaking a few loopy barroom brawl. I do not suppose so in any respect. I feel it’ll be a small area as a result of the cash’s not there, the controversy stage guidelines will preserve it very restricted. But need to have a donor threshold, you need to have nationwide polling, and there is merely no room for a – for a 3rd and fourth and even fifth individual on this race.

BREAM: So, Beverly, anyone else getting in at this level? Is it a waste of time or are they operating for VP? What are they doing?

HALLBERG: Effectively, I feel they’re operating for simply the identify id, whether or not that’s for VP or for different functions as effectively as a result of suppose even when Donald Trump ran initially for president, I do not suppose he thought he was going to get the nomination, however it does nice issues for folks ‘s companies, et cetera.

However I feel what we’ll be searching for is how lengthy folks keep in. So, I agree, it’ll be the two-person race between Ron DeSantis and Trump greater than probably . But when persons are for anyone however Trump on the Republican aspect, the extra crowded the sphere is, the tougher it’ll be for anyone to defeat him within the main. So, it is determined by whether or not or not sure Republicans are going to coalesce collectively to attempt to get folks to leap out faster.

BREAM: Sure, and, Josh, we’re speaking about Ron DeSantis. The governor’s not within the race, but.

JOSH KRAUSHAAR, SENIOR POLITICS REPORTER, “AXIOS”: He is not within the race. And, boy, that quantity for Donald Trump, 43 % of the Republican vote, it’s – it’s vital. And also you underestimate — each Republican would underestimate Donald Trump at their very own threat.

He is had a – quietly had a fairly good political month when it comes to doing a few of these retail occasions in South Carolina that he did not do a complete lot throughout the 2020 marketing campaign. His journey to East Palestine, Ohio, forward of Pete Buttigieg, going to McDonald’s. He is proven type of a standard contact that he had bother with, frankly, when he was president and operating for re- election.

So, these numbers present that Trump remains to be formidable inside the Republican Celebration. And I agree with Jeff, Ron DeSantis, if he does get in, goes to be the – the opposite massive elephant within the room. However, boy, like Trump, any – , you are not listening to a variety of Republicans going after Trump. They are going after DeSantis or attempting to determine the place they stand within the get together. And I feel they do this at there personal peril as a result of Trump remains to be very, extremely popular inside the Republican Celebration.

BREAM: Sure, and it is difficult for them as a result of once you press them on the place they’re completely different or why they’re a greater possibility, they do not wish to go straight at President Trump at this level. And the ballot in all probability exhibits a very good cause why.

OK, one other ballot. We requested folks, how a lot cash do you might have in your pocket versus final 12 months. Listed here are the numbers. Extra, 12 %. Good for these of us. The identical, 31 %. Much less, 57 %. And that’s, I imply, an enormous leap from — when you look again to February 2018, only a couple years in the past, beneath the Trump presidency.

Mo, which may be a part of the rationale why of us say they don’t seem to be excited for a President Biden repeat.

MO ELLEITHEE, GEORGETOWN INSTITUTE OF POLITICS AND PUBLIC SERVICE: Sure, look, I feel the financial system is nearly as good as folks suppose it’s, proper?

BREAM: Notion.

ELLEITHEE: And with regards to politics, notion actually issues. The president has a very compelling argument to make about how the financial system has gotten stronger beneath him. However folks have not felt it. And there is a easy rule in political communications, you may’t go on the market and inform folks that they are fallacious about how they really feel. So, though he can, and he ought to, proceed to go on the market and make the case about why the financial system is stronger and the way it’s getting higher, the following half is a very powerful half, and that is when too many individuals oftentimes flub in politics, we’re getting higher, however not sufficient persons are feeling it and this is what we’ll do subsequent. That needs to be with this president talks about each single day for the following two years. And I feel he is well- positioned to do it. And I feel the best way this Republican area is shaping up truly provides him much more room to do it as a result of if the Republican area is on the market speaking about how woke the left is, and the president is on the market saying the financial system is getting stronger however not sufficient persons are feeling it and this is how we’ll be sure you do, that is a distinction Democrats would like to have.

BREAM: Does anyone suppose President Biden deciding to not run?


BREAM: We expect it is only a matter of time?


BREAM: OK, so, let’s put up his approval on any variety of points. This can be a crowded image, however we wish to allow you to see. So, we talked about this. I talked about this with Senator Cardin. The highest 4 are all overseas coverage. He is the wrong way up on all of these. The numbers solely worsen once you get into opioids, gun, immigration, financial system, inflation. Inflation, he is down by, I am not nice at math, however 35 factors, I feel.

So, Beverly, what does he do with that? How does he flip round these perceptions? Like Mo mentioned, notion is actuality for lots of parents once they’re attempting to pay their payments and put meals on the desk.

HALLBERG: Effectively, I feel he is had a poor message. He’ll speak about how good the financial system is, however but when folks go to the grocery retailer, even when they’ll afford it, they’re what eggs price, they’re additionally what gasoline prices, and it has gone down a bit, however persons are seeing these numbers in real-time. And so he can say all he desires, that issues are nice, but when folks see one thing completely different, it is not going to resonate. I feel he would do higher if he truly talked in regards to the ache persons are feeling, acknowledging that, speaking about what he’s attempting to do to decrease that. I feel that might be a greater message for him.

BREAM: So, we’ve this potential third-party wrench. I do not know, third- get together or not, however we’re speaking about Senator Joe Manchin. He had a radio interview this week. “The Hill” stories on it this manner. When pressed additional on whether or not he has definitively dominated out a bid for the presidency, Manchin responded, I do not know. I feel proper now you do not know who the Democrat nominee or who the Republican nominee goes to be. Manchin responded, that is truthful when radio host Hoppy Kercheval mentioned he thinks the senator remains to be contemplating operating for the presidency.

So, Jeff, does he run as a Democrat? Does he run as of third events spoiler?

ROE: That appears like he isn’t operating for re-election is what that appears like as a result of I’ve a greater probability of profitable South Carolina than Joe Manchin does in opposition to Joe Biden. So, I feel they’re in a pickle right here with Biden. They can not eliminate him. They can not let him run. And so if it is anybody moreover Trump, it is an actual downside as a result of Trump offers the bottom motivation for Democrats. That is what took us from a historic 125 million votes turnout for a Republican presidential election, to 150 final time. And so I feel that is their hope, that they get the rematch that they need and the remainder of the nation actually is not searching for.

BREAM: Effectively, and, Mo, President Trump has not dedicated to supporting the GOP nominee if it is not him. So there’s additionally this ulcer making state of affairs for the GOP that he decides to run as a third-party candidate.

ELLEITHEE: Sure, look, I feel there’s many Republicans who sweat Donald Trump as there are Democrats who sweat Donald Trump. I feel he’s – he’s a strolling grenade in any room of politics, proper? You by no means know when he goes off and what it does.

However I am going to say this, I do not know what occurs in 2024 as a result of I feel there are a variety of questions on the market about what every candidate does. Ron DeSantis appears tremendous robust, however Ron DeSantis has by no means been examined on the nationwide stage. He may get on a nationwide debate stage – bear in mind, at this level in 2016 — in 2015, I suppose, Jeb Bush regarded actually robust for Republicans. Eight years earlier than that, Rudy Giuliani regarded actually robust for Republicans, earlier than they received examined. DeSantis hasn’t been examined. If I am on the Biden marketing campaign, the man I am wanting on the most intently is a Tim Scott, who has a method to speak about points completely different than the remainder of them who’re all on the market attempting to be out anti-woke, out to – out anti-woke each other. That is not what is going on to resonate in a normal election.

So, I — I do not know what occurs. I feel the president is aware of what he must do. And if he is targeted on that, I feel he’ll get a number of assists from the Republican candidates alongside the best way.

BREAM: OK. Fast break right here as a result of we have much more to debate.

Up subsequent, Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene kicked off a heated debate this week tweeting about what she known as, quote, nationwide divorce. (INAUDIBLE) will discuss of that and way more because the congresswoman doubles down.


REP. MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE (R-GA): This is not ending our union. That is shrinking the federal authorities, which we have to cease our spending.




EMILY KOHRS, GEORGIA GRAND JURY FOREWOMAN: Actually, I sort of needed to subpoena the previous president as a result of I get to swear everybody in. And so I assumed it could be actually cool to get 60 seconds with President Trump of me him and being like, do you solemnly swear, and me attending to swear him in. I simply – I sort of simply thought that might be an superior second.


BREAM: That is the forewoman of the particular goal grand jury that investigated then President Trump’s actions in Georgia after the 2020 election. She made a variety of headlines this week, increase some eyebrows along with her candor.

We’re again now with the panel.

All proper, Josh, “Nationwide Assessment” wrote on this and mentioned basically, this can be a fortunate break for President Trump. They are saying, if Emily Kohrs, who was that foreperson, and Fani Willis, the DA, helped Trump persuade Republican main voters that the Democrats’ fairly to indict him right here, there and in all places is a politicized abuse of energy, his bid for the GOP nomination may get a giant enhance.

Is that this doubtlessly – we’re ready on potential indictments. We don’t know what is going on to occur there. However does this – her media tour truly assist the Trump crew?

KRAUSHAAR: Effectively, first, by the best way, that was not a “Saturday Night time Stay” sketch, though she was parodied on “Saturday Night time Stay.” And, look, I feel the larger image right here is that the best way Trump is defeated is thru the political system, not – not the authorized system. And I feel Democrats have put all their chips on this basket that some prosecutor, whether or not, , it is right here in D.C., or Fani Willis is Fulton County, goes to have the smoking gun that is going to take Trump out of the political race. And that is simply not going to occur.

And, look, even when he’s indicted, there’s some proof that that – as this – this foreman has mentioned would possibly occur, there’s going to be a variety of query for the Trump marketing campaign rightfully goes to lift about credibility and impartiality that would taint the case earlier than it begins. So, , the notion that that is – there’s one authorized case that is going to vary the political dynamic has at all times been fallacious. And I feel Democrats have had a tough time studying that lesson.

BREAM: OK, now, she talked about this week, he was out doing a little issues which are enjoying effectively with lots of people. We have him in Ohio this week going to the scene of the skilled derailment in East Palestine whereas, , the Biden administration was taking a variety of warmth for not getting there.

The president, it looks like he says he would not have a plan to go. When he was pressed on whether or not he’d even talked to the native mayor there, he mentioned, I do not suppose I’ve. However guess who has, Donald Trump has been there and talked to him. So, missed alternative, Mo, for the administration.

ELLEITHEE: I – I feel lots of people want they’d been their a bit bit sooner, however I do not essentially suppose it was a complete missed alternative. I feel the continuing federal response is what is going on to matter. The truth that they’re holding Norfolk Southern accountable and have been very aggressive with that’s going to matter.

Look, folks there are sad with all people proper now. They’re sad with the federal authorities. They’re sad with the Republican governor. Individuals wish to see extra response.

I do not suppose Donald Trump going at hand out water and cleansing provides is actually going to show folks a technique or one other. It truly jogs my memory very a lot of his response to the hurricane in Puerto Rico when he was president and he went and he tossed out water bottles and paper towels. And, what, all these years later, Puerto Rico remains to be coping with the ramifications of that.

So, it was a political stunt, however I feel the administration is aware of that it will probably’t permit itself to be seen as absent. And so ramping up that response, exhibiting themselves on the bottom extra. When Trump exhibits up making the purpose that, , this occurred partly due to the deregulations that he put in place as president, however specializing in the cleanup as rapidly as attainable.

BREAM: Effectively – OK. However the NTSB appears to recommend that is not the case with the overheated axel. It wasn’t a difficulty of the brakes and – and that sort of regulatory situation. In order that debate continues.

ELLEITHEE: However they nonetheless did roll again rules at a time when persons are feeling like possibly there should be extra. So, there is a political battle available. I feel the administration is true to focus extra on the cleanup and getting folks again on observe.


Secretary Buttigieg received there after President Trump did. This is what he mentioned.


PETE BUTTIGIEG, TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY: What I attempted to do was stability two issues, my need to be concerned and engaged and on the bottom, which is how I’m typically wired to behave, and my need to comply with the norm of transportation secretaries, permitting NTSB to essentially lead the preliminary levels of the general public going through (ph) work (ph). I wasn’t (ph) fascinated with whether or not I received that stability proper.


BREAM: Jeff, lots of people are questioning whether or not he received that stability proper.

ROE: It was unhealthy. It was a foul second for the administration. Trump was handing out water. He was the primary one there. And Buttigieg is handing out apologies. So all the optics have been unhealthy to start out with.

After which I’d have thought, of all the cupboard secretaries, the one individual that would not want trend recommendation could be Mayor Pete along with his boots – and the flamboyant boots, and that was a complete second.

However the actuality is, the primary factor you do, when there is a – when there is a tragedy, is be there. And be there early. They usually did not do this. Trump beat him to it. He sucked the oxygen out of the Ukraine go to that Joe Biden had. And so it simply was a win for the – for the Trump marketing campaign and a foul, unhealthy search for the Biden administration.

BREAM: And the White Home will say they’d federal crews and property there on the bottom the day after the wreck. The large names weren’t there. We have not – I do not suppose the president will go, however to have a cupboard secretary, , that was later for them. However there have been property there on the bottom, to be truthful.

OK, so let’s speak about Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene and this nationwide divorce concept. This is one among her tweets. This isn’t the unique, however she’s had many. She mentioned, folks saying nationwide divorce is a foul concept as a result of the left won’t ever cease attempting to manage much less is actually making the case for nationwide divorce. We do not need a civil battle. We’re not surrendering. We’re bored with finishing with no change and wish to defend our lifestyle.

I imply, Beverly, this will get again to a few of the earlier polling I talked about with Senator Scott. Individuals really feel very divided on this nation.

HALLBERG: Effectively, I feel it is notable that we’ve a sitting member of Congress who’s advocating for breaking apart the USA. So, that is one factor. It is a simple factor to tweet. It is a exhausting factor to do in observe, particularly throughout Covid once you see how many individuals have left blue areas, how would we truly virtually do that the place you might have blue cities in crimson states.

The main target must be on federalism and the main target ought to truly be on a melting pot and having the ability to disagree with folks in an agreeable means. That is what we have to look to, not divide the nation.

BREAM: Sure, over on “Nationwide Assessment,” Professor Wilfred Riley (ph) calls it an insanely unhealthy concept. He says, after we’re preventing a proxy battle with Russia and China looms as a long-term rival or enemy, doing so would scale back America’s dimension and energy by have. Xi Jinping would reduce off his personal proper arm to see this occur.


KRAUSHAAR: Sure, not solely is it unrealistic, however the political divides are inside the states, not state verses state, however like her — her residence – residence state of Georgia, Atlanta is changing into very, very blue and the agricultural elements of the state are – are very, very crimson. So, I do not know the way you might have a succession motion inside your state. So, it simply not solely is unrealistic, however it would not perceive the fact of politics right this moment.

BREAM: All proper, we have to depart it there, panel. Thanks very a lot. We’ll see you subsequent Sunday.


BREAM: Up subsequent, my dialog with an artist whose work you’re probably very acquainted with, even when you’ve by no means realized it. How he is taken you inside a few of America’s greatest, most notable court docket instances for many years.


BREAM: As a lot of , I get pleasure from pulling double obligation right here at Fox. I additionally cowl the Supreme Courtroom. And as you additionally know, there are not any cameras allowed contained in the excessive court docket throughout arguments. So, through the years, I’ve gotten to know one of many artists who’s achieved essentially the most to indicate you what unfolds there because the justices hear the instances that affect all of us.

I spoke with him about his very distinctive function, capturing what occurs behind closed doorways on the highest court docket within the land and high-profile instances all throughout the nation.


WILLIAM J. HENNESSY, JR., COURTROOM ARTIST: I would like them to really feel as if they’re there. I am not attempting to shade it in any explicit means. And that is my accountability. That is my job.

BREAM (voice over): You do not know his face, however you do know his work. In a metropolis the place courtroom drama drives information however cameras are not often invited in, artist Invoice Hennessy is there along with his pencils and paper.

HENNESSY: I attempt to do extra than simply statically (ph) report what’s there, however truly sort of catch the vitality and the emotion of what is there.

BREAM: It is a occupation he stumbled into as a younger artwork scholar.

HENNESSY: Our division received a cellphone name. The lady on the door mentioned, hey, there is a TV station on the cellphone. Would anyone be excited about drawing in a courtroom? And I jumped at it. And far to my shock, it has been over 40 years.

BREAM (on digital camera): At what level did you transition to, that is going to be the work that I do?

HENNESSY: It was loopy. The entire idea of it was principally, , so like think about, simply wherever you’re, strolling right into a room stuffed with, , 50 folks and say, fast, we want a drawing of this. And I used to be like, I am — what do I draw right here? I actually needed to suppose like a journalist. Effectively, I lastly received a grasp on it and mentioned, OK, I can — I can do that.

BREAM (voice over): At the moment, his sketches are a staple of tv information, telling the story of the nation ‘s most consequential instances.

BREAM (on digital camera): You’ve got been in movie star trials, terrorism trials, a variety of massive Supreme Courtroom instances. What are a few of the standouts for you?

HENNESSY: Oh my gosh. You understand, that is virtually unattainable.

BREAM (voice over): He sketched former Washington, D.C., Mayor Marion Barry, the D.C. sniper case, the Amber Heard and Johnny Depp defamation trial, and a younger girl who interned within the Clinton White Home.

HENNESSY: Rumor was, there was no blue costume, there was — she wasn’t going to testify. And it was like, we have been ready for months, and nothing goes to return of this. After which the phrase was, oh, sure, there’s a blue costume. They’ve it. Oh, truly Monica goes to testify.

BREAM: He additionally sketched that intern’s former boss.

HENNESSY: The primary impeachment, that basically struck me as a result of I had this type of entrance row seat within the press gallery wanting down on all that. I bear in mind being simply overwhelmed by that. And I bear in mind this from authorities class, this by no means occurs. It is so uncommon. There have been three now.

BREAM (on digital camera): Do you’re feeling stress when it is any individual that could be a recognizable determine?

HENNESSY: Completely. That’s – that weighs closely.

When it is somebody they know, they need to be sure you get it precisely. However, on the finish of the day, you bought to complete, you are achieved, it airs and that is the beset you would do and you progress on to the following case.

BREAM (voice over): His pencils have seen lots.

BREAM (on digital camera): Are there moments once you’re sitting in a trial and one thing surprising occurs and also you cease the place you are at and suppose, that is going to be a really completely different sketch.

HENNESSY: There’s a variety of issues occur that you do not count on. And that is what you have received – actually received to be prepared for, as a result of that may be the story.

BREAM (voice over): Generally that story is outdoors the courtroom.

HENNESSY: I heard a commotion from the ground above and this shirtless man comes flying down the escalator. I imply he is like going eight, 10 steps at a time, and he was shifting. And he was being pursued by like 4 court docket marshals. It was loopy.

The superb factor about that’s, when you have a look at that sketch, on the backside there is a girl standing on the backside of the escalator. She put her foot out and tripped him.

BREAM: Contained in the courtroom, Hennessy has perfected the pace of his craft.

BREAM (on digital camera): I see you within the courtroom. We’re listening to arguments. I am furiously scribbling my notes. You are there working in actual time on these sketches. It’s going because the case goes.

HENNESSY: Proper. Proper. I imply that is what’s sort of cool about it, but in addition what’s sort of loopy about it.

BREAM: Effectively, you are in establishment. You stroll into these courtroom and other people know Invoice Hennessy is right here. This can be a trial of import and he will be sure that the general public will get to see what’s occurring in right here.

HENNESSY: Effectively, I respect that. I imply I – I do have a variety of pals and received to know a variety of actually nice folks through the years.

That is what I used to be speaking about. So, I –

BREAM (voice over): I’ve seen Hennessy over these years in my time overlaying the court docket’s most historic instances.

BREAM (on digital camera): And that case on the high there was a very massive second in historical past. That is the Dobbs case that ended up overturning Roe v. Wade.

HENNESSY: That is proper. That is proper. That was Dobbs. And, truly, there is a reporter in there you would possibly acknowledge.

BREAM: I used to be so excited to seek out out I made it right into a Invoice Hennessy sketch.

BREAM (voice over): In right this moment’s world of instantaneous, digital information protection, sketching may appear old-fashioned, however Hennessy says in any other case.

HENNESSY: It has modified. Now, 24-hour information, they need it instantly, as quick – virtually as quickly because the – the gavel strikes, court docket’s adjourned, it is like, how quickly can you might have that? My technique of working lends itself to this, as a result of I draw quick and I like that sort of vitality. Now it is – it is extra demanding than ever.

BREAM (on digital camera): Do you ever take into consideration the legacy and these moments in time that you’ve got captured? No digital camera may ever be there, however your art work goes to be what we’ve.

HENNESSY: I have never actually dwelled an excessive amount of on that.

Sure, that’s fairly particular in – in that regard. I’ll let my children work out what the heck to do with all this – all these historic photographs.


BREAM: And I’ll see Invoice over on the excessive court docket this week. We’ll each be there overlaying the arguments on scholar mortgage forgiveness by the president.

Earlier than we go, we wish to let , my colleague, Bret Baier, sat down with – or he’ll with FBI Director Christopher Wray this week. You possibly can catch the unique interview Tuesday, 6:00 p.m. Japanese throughout “SPECIAL REPORT WITH BRET BAIER” on Fox Information Channel.

And a fast notice, my podcast, “Livin’ the Bream,” drops this morning, 10:00 a.m. Japanese. This week I sit down with Pastor Greg Laurie, whose life is on the heart of a brand new film hitting theaters this week, “Jesus Revolution.” It is the story of a large cultural and spiritual motion and the `70s that led to that well-known “Time” journal cowl, “The Jesus Revolution.”

You possibly can hear all the interviews from right this moment’s program on the FOX NEWS SUNDAY podcast. You possibly can obtain and subscribe by heading to or wherever you get your podcast to take heed to any of those we produce right here at Fox.

That’s it for right this moment. Thanks for becoming a member of us. I am Shannon Bream. Have an incredible week. We’ll see you subsequent FOX NEWS SUNDAY.


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