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Now that President Biden is in, we all know much more about how Democrats really feel about him as their entrance runner.


JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I am operating for reelection.

BREAM (voice-over): The race for the White Home is on. The president framing his case for a second time period and dismissing issues about his age.

And one other Republican formally jumps into the GOP major, difficult former President Trump.

ASA HUTCHINSON (R), 2024 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I am a candidate for president of the US.

BREAM: As Trump himself barnstorms New Hampshire nonetheless firmly main the sector.

TRUMP: We’re 51 p.c with all these folks operating. We’re up 33 factors.

BREAM: We’ll ask RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel about her get together’s plan to win again the White Home, and whether or not we’re really in for a 2020 rematch.

TRUMP: I do stay up for the controversy with Joe.

BREAM: RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel, solely on “FOX Information Sunday”.

After which, Home Republicans claimed victory, passing a debt restrict invoice. Speaker McCarthy once more demanding that president come to the desk. Many Senate Democrats now agree, saying it is time for the president to get actual a few deal to keep away from default. We are going to sit down with Maryland Democrat Chris Van Hollen for the most recent on negotiations.

And —

CLARENCE THOMAS, U.S. SUPREME COURT ASSOCIATE JUSTICE: You start to look over your shoulder.

BREAM: And one 12 months for the reason that leak of a draft Supreme Court docket opinion on abortion, the path operating chilly. We’ll usher in a bunch of authorized insiders on the leak’s lasting impression contained in the secretive world of the nation’s highest court docket, because it faces new ethics questions.

Plus, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on a world tour to spice up his overseas coverage creds, as his spat with Disney escalates and his ballot numbers fall.

Our Sunday panel is right here on his possibilities as we wait to seek out out whether or not he is operating.

All, proper now, on “FOX Information Sunday”.


BREAM (on digital camera): Good day from FOX Information in Washington.

Now that each President Biden and former President Donald Trump are formally operating in 2024, prepare to listen to the phrase rematch quite a bit.

The polls point out voters in each events are usually not so obsessed with two entrance runners. Many telling pollsters they might be open to alternate options.

In a second, Republican Nationwide Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel joins us in studio on the GOP discipline and the largest points the get together faces heading into 2024.

However, first, let’s flip to Lucas Tomlinson reside in Washington with a take a look at the president’s technique as he requested for a second time period.

Good day, Lucas.

LUCAS TOMLINSON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Shannon, after months of anticipation, President Biden made it official, saying he might be operating for reelection.


BIDEN: Let’s end this job. I do know we are able to.

TOMLINSON (voice-over): President Biden’s marketing campaign launch opens with January 6, abortion protests and MAGA, together with a picture of former President Trump and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.

Biden mentions the phrase “freedom” six instances in a three-minute video. He didn’t point out his age.

However the age query got here up in a press briefing.

REPORTER: Is the president plan to serve all eight years?

KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: That is one thing for him to resolve.

TOMLINSON: The press secretary cleared up the confusion later, tweeting the president would serve all eight years.

The 2024 Republican candidate Nikki Haley didn’t mince phrases.

NIKKI HALEY (R), 2024 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The concept that he would make it till 86 years previous just isn’t — just isn’t one thing that I believe is probably going.

TOMLINSON: And potential Republican presidential candidate, Senator Tim Scott, appeared to go there, too.

SEN. TIM SCOTT (R-SC): Effectively, that needs to be a scary proposition. The one factor worse than a Joe Biden presidency is a Kamala Harris presidency.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Girls and gents, President Joe Biden.

TOMLINSON: Right here in D.C., on the White Home correspondents’ dinner final night time, President Biden saved frivolously.

BIDEN: Look, you all hold reporting my approval ranking is at 42 p.c. Kevin McCarthy referred to as me and requested me, Joe, what the hell is your secret?


TOMLINSON (on digital camera): And this week, our FOX Information ballot exhibits solely 44 p.c have a good opinion of President Biden, 56 p.c say they’ve an unfavorable opinion of him — Shannon.

BREAM: All proper. Lucas, we’ll speak much more about these polls. Thanks a lot.

Becoming a member of me now, Republican Nationwide Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel.

Welcome again to “FOX Information Sunday”.

RONNA MCDANIEL, RNC CHAIRWOMAN: Nice to be with you. Thanks — thanks for having me.

BREAM: It is nice to have you ever.

So, let’s discuss this report that is getting numerous consideration. You guys simply had a gathering in Oklahoma Metropolis. I am informed there was going to be a debrief of this.

However that is the headline from “The Washington Put up”: GOP research on poor 2022 election exhibiting does not point out Trump. Based on many within the get together, that might produce an incomplete evaluation at finest match.

Quote: What is the level of doing an evaluation of the Republican Social gathering if you happen to’re not Trump? You are simply losing your time. That is from an RNC member anonymously.

The previous president is clearly the largest voice within the room for the get together. He had nice sway in getting candidates by the primaries that did not do properly within the normal, missed an opportunity to retake the Senate.

How are you going to break down 2022 with out speaking about that president?

MCDANIEL: Effectively, let me say, initially, “The Washington Put up” doesn’t have a last draft as a result of there may be not a last draft. Lots of the committees haven’t accomplished that. So, that is inaccurate reporting.

What I’ll say is, the largest takeaway we’re taking is independents didn’t break our means, which has to occur if we’ll win in 2024, which often that is what causes that pink wave. And abortion was an enormous problem in key states like Michigan and Pennsylvanian.

And so, the steering we’ll give to our candidates is you must tackle this head-on. The Democrats spent $360 million on this and plenty of of our candidates throughout the board refused to speak about it, pondering, oh, we are able to simply speak in regards to the economic system and ignore this large problem, and so they cannot.

BREAM: Yeah. And there is nonetheless folks, although, advising Republicans that means saying this problem is dangerous for you. It prices you. Do not do it.

However you’ve got mentioned you have to take it head-on. You need folks to articulate not solely the Republican place however the Democrat place — and but so lots of them when they’re pressured (ph) candidates or potential candidates to speak about this, they appear to nonetheless battle with the reply.

MCDANIEL: Yeah, they’re uncomfortable, however they can not be. And it isn’t simply speaking about it as soon as. The Democrats are placing $360 million towards you on TV, in lies. So, these lies develop into the reality if you happen to do not battle again. So it is advisable say it loud.

Hear, I am proud to be pro-life. The consensus — we have now to seek out consensus amongst Democrats and Republicans. Let’s have a look at the place the Democrats are.

What abortion is a nasty concept to Democrats? Ninth month, eighth month, seventh month? They can not even articulate an abortion that is a nasty concept.

Gender choice, if it is a woman, you get to abort it. Tax-funded abortions for folks the place it is towards their spiritual conscience. That is the place Joe Biden was years in the past.

So I believe put them on the defensive and articulate the place you stand and that is going to be that vital message that we have now to get out earlier than these — earlier than 2024.

BREAM: You guys, too, have began speaking about points early voting, mail in voting, poll harvesting. That’s one thing that former President Trump was one for years who railed very arduous towards that. He softened a bit.

However “The Wall Avenue Journal” has this query about whether or not it is too late. The harm has been accomplished. They are saying his criticism of mail in voting earlier than and since his 2020 loss helped chip away at GOP religion in early voting, polls present, get together strategists say that is truly contributed to election defeat.

So, in 2020, nationwide, roughly 60 p.c of Democrats voted early, and about 30 p.c of Republicans. That had been extra equal in 2016.

So how do you now persuade folks to embrace these strategies that say it is advisable win when there’s been such a unfavorable connotation round them?

MCDANIEL: What I’d say is we did it fairly efficiently in 2022 in states like Florida and North Carolina and Ohio.

So even with poll harvesting, we beat Democrats in three statewide races, in Nevada. We did it in California, the one which Duarte case (ph), and clearly in Montana for Zinke. So, we’re doing it. The method is vital.

I’d say the Democrats nonetheless make investments extra in that. Republican traders wait till the candidate is picked at till the primaries are accomplished, and Democrats are all the time investing within the course of.

That is why the RNC is so vital. It’s a must to make investments early if you are going to educate voters and speak to them in regards to the significance of banking votes early, and we have to do this. Financial institution your vote and go be a ballot watcher and signal as much as work on election day.

However that is one thing we’re regularly engaged on. However we did higher than that than I believe the media is saying. A state we do want to enhance on that’s Pennsylvania.

BREAM: Okay, and that is such a vital assertion. So many of those races nationally and the Senate races in others, the gubernatorials.

So, let’s discuss debates —


BREAM: — as a result of these are coming.

President Trump has mentioned that no one consulted him or his marketing campaign in regards to the debates you’ve got introduced so far. I am assuming you are in conversations with all of those campaigns. Is that correct?

MCDANIEL: Yeah, we’re speaking to all of the campaigns and potential campaigns, proper, as a result of we do not — not everyone has introduced but. I’ve talked to President Trump. Dave Bossie, who’s operating the controversy committee, has talked and met with all of the candidates.

Sure, we’re speaking with them on a regular basis however, no, we’re not asking them, the place ought to we have now it? Who needs to be the moderators? That may be inappropriate.

What I do know is we’ll have a fantastic discipline and the following president of the US goes to be on our debate stage.

BREAM: So, he has mentioned some issues about whether or not or not he’ll be on that debate stage. Let me play slightly little bit of what he mentioned a few days in the past.

MCDANIEL: Certain.


DONALD TRUMP, FORMER PRESIDENT: While you’re means up, you do not do debates. In case you’re even or down, you do debates. However once you’re means up, what is the function of doing the controversy?


BREAM: He additionally wrote on Fact Social, he mentioned, if you happen to’re main by what he is referred to as seemingly insurmountable numbers, and we get to the polls, why topic your self to being libeled and abused.

So, what occurs if he does not present up?

MCDANIEL: You already know, that is his alternative and each candidate goes to make that calculation. They will resolve, once I do announce? Do I am going to Ohio? Do I am going to New Hampshire? Do I debate? And that is going to be his resolution.

What I believe is the American folks need to see these candidates. They need to see what they’re articulating and particularly what’s your plan to take us out of the distress of Joe Biden? What are you going to do to assist our youngsters at school who’re coping with fentanyl and TikTok? What are you going to do to assist get us power unbiased?

Persons are actually hurting proper now on this nation. So, I take a look at the controversy not nearly Republican towards Republican. I look it as our get together making a case as to why we must always win the White Home and defeat Joe Biden?

And that is one of many components as to why I’d say everyone ought to get on that debate stage.

BREAM: Does he miss a chance if he does not come? Or is he, as he says, sparing himself from doubtlessly taking pictures and taking hits that, you already know, are robust for any marketing campaign?

MCDANIEL: Effectively, he’ll make that willpower. His marketing campaign will make that willpower. I’ll simply say this — individuals are struggling and so they need to see our plan as a celebration as to how we’ll win.

So, I do assume it is necessary to get on the controversy stage, but additionally keep in mind, hey, who’re we towards? It is Joe Biden. Who’s doing this to our nation? Joe Biden.

And I believe one of many different takeaways we took from the midterms in 2022 is that we simply do not simply want independence, we’d like each Republican. And we have to convey each Republican collectively. We now have states the place Republicans would not vote for Republican nominees and that was an enormous issue of why we misplaced some key Senate races.

So we have to come collectively and keep in mind who we’re towards in November and that is going to be this Biden White Home that’s destroying our nation.

BREAM: Do you’re feeling like generally, although, you must remind the previous president about that message? As a result of he is been very influential in races, I believe again to Georgia, you already know, a few cycles again the place folks felt like they weren’t going to point out up as a result of he informed them that one thing unfair was occurring.

MCDANIEL: I believe there’s lots of people that should be reminded that we have to do not forget that it is Joe Biden. And I believe the voters really feel that.

They really feel that angst and so they say that to me on a regular basis. We’d like get together unity. We have to convey everyone collectively as a result of what they’re doing to our nation it is scary.

We’re not going to have the America we all know and love if this continues, in the event that they stack the Supreme Court docket, in the event that they do away with the filibuster, in the event that they banned power independence, in the event that they’re so beholden to China.

I imply, look it, China is operating this White Home in numerous methods. China is the explanation fentanyl is coming throughout our border. China is taking our youngsters’ information on TikTok. We offered our strategic petroleum reserves to China.

That is an administration that’s extra China first than America first, and the American folks need a president who cares about them.

BREAM: All proper. Let’s speak in regards to the technique that this president at present has to return it took 2024. They are saying, mainly, they need to do what they did in 2020, it labored for him, and what they assume labored within the midterms in 2022 — lay low, hold the highlight on what they prefer to name MAGA extremists within the get together.

One op-ed piece in “The New York Instances” put it this fashion: Mr. Biden’s greatest benefit may not come from something he has truly accomplished. As an alternative, it would come from the chaos amongst Republicans. That is welcome information for the president, who’s keen on telling voters, and we each heard him say it final night time, do not evaluate me to the Almighty, evaluate me to the choice.

Democrats need to level to a break up within the get together, about all the things from whether or not President Trump needs to be your nominee to the place to attract the road on abortion, methods to have that dialog.

How apprehensive are you in regards to the president’s message there that he’ll level to you guys and say, America, they’re too divisive, they’re too extremist, you may’t belief them?

MCDANIEL: Effectively, we’re seeing this occur, proper? And I am not shocked he’ll cover. He is hid from the press. He is hid from the American folks.

He does not take robust questions. He does not need to reply for something, any of the scandals that he has in his presidency. So he’s going to cover once more and a lot of the media will permit him to do this.

However I do assume he is proper about one factor — we can not win if we’re not united. If Republicans do not vote for different Republicans, we’re not going to win. And we do not simply want all the Republicans, we’d like independents, too.

You already know, Shannon, Republicans are migrating. They’re migrating to pink states. Why? As a result of we bought nice governors throughout the nation, low taxes, our insurance policies work.

But it surely means the White Home electorally is not obtainable to us until we undergo a purple or blue state. And people states are getting bluer, as a result of pink voters are transferring to the pink states.

So, that is very, very vital that we perceive the trail to the White Home runs not simply by independents, however each single Republican getting on board.

BREAM: Do you’ve got an concept in regards to the pledge? Will you’ve got everyone signal the pledge?

They did this again in 2016, included President Trump earlier than he was president. He type of balked at it on the finish. To have them say if you wish to be on the controversy stage, you are going to need to help the eventual nominee.

I requested Governor Hutchinson about it final week. He is formally in now. He did not just like the sound of the pledge.

What is the standing?

MCDANIEL: So, let me ask a Republican voter, go to our voters and say, do you assume it is so vital if you happen to get on the Nationwide Republican Committee debate stage that you will help the eventual nominee, and everybody will say sure. They don’t need to see any individual take up our time and discuss all issues until they’re pledged to beat Joe Biden.

They do not have to love one another. They do not have to hang around after this. I do not care about that. I need you to be targeted on beating Joe Biden.

And that pledge is vital to the voters who do not need to see Republicans come out of this and focus extra in one another than beating — successful the White Home.

BREAM: I need to rapidly ask you about cultural points, as a result of we have some new polling on this. And the difficulty of — trans points polling greater is individuals are extra apprehensive, voters are, about assaults on trans households than they’re about trans folks competing in sports activities. When requested about points involving colleges, the highest concern you may see right here was ebook banning.

Now, there’s phrase main donor to the GOP, Peter Thiel, is sad and goes to carry his cash out as a result of he does not like these debates about abortion and trans and loos and all of that.

Are you apprehensive that these cultural points are hurting that GOP?

MCDANIEL: Effectively, one, the Democrats are utilizing this phrase ebook banning. You are seeing it quite a bit. You noticed on Biden’s launch.

That is a lie. There is not ebook banning. What Republicans are doing are defending our kids and parental rights and saying 5 12 months olds should not be studying sexually specific materials.

Ron DeSantis went in entrance of cameras learn a few of these books of latest stations needed to go away as a result of the fabric was so specific.

However now, we all know their recreation plan, proper? We are able to have a dialog about points, and actually what it’s about is mother and father ought to have a say in what’s taking place with our youngsters. And I believe most Individuals help that.

But it surely’s good to know the Democrats playbook and we’ll push on that, particularly coming from the Democrat get together that’s banning freedom of speech, that’s canceling folks, that’s destroying your life if you happen to do not assume with their orthodoxy. That is Democrat Social gathering who’s saying if you happen to assume exterior of the field and all the things we’re dictating to you, you’ll make you lose your job, we are going to destroy you.

So they’re banning folks. They’re banning freedom of speech and freedom of thought. Republicans are defending kids.

BREAM: All proper. We are going to see you on the marketing campaign path. A lot to return forward the debates and past.

MCDANIEL: Thanks a lot.

BREAM: Thanks.


BREAM: All proper. Up subsequent, there’s renewed stress on Democrats to doubtlessly maintain major debates even with President Biden in as an incumbent and a transparent major frontrunner.

I will convey a Democratic senator subsequent to ask him whether or not the get together ought to usher in all three declared candidates to their debate stage.


BREAM: Now that the president has formally mentioned he’s operating once more, he faces critical scrutiny from Democrats. That is partially as a result of he already has two major challenges and meaning stress to elucidate his report and stress on the get together to perhaps maintain major debates.

Becoming a member of me now to debate, Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen of Maryland.

Senator, welcome again to “FOX Information Sunday”.

SEN. CHRIS VAN HOLLEN (D-MD): It is nice to be with you, Shannon.

BREAM: Good to see you this morning.

Okay, so the president has launched for reelection however he does some towards difficult numbers. These are from FOX Information, our brand-new polls. He is bought a 56 p.c unfavorable ranking amongst registered voters. After we ballot on all the things from nationwide safety to immigration to the economic system, he’s the other way up on all of these numbers.

Of us are giving him a nasty report card and that features Democrats who say they do not need to see him run.

So, are you apprehensive in regards to the lack of pleasure, the dissatisfaction along with his report going into 2024?

VAN HOLLEN: I am not apprehensive as a result of he has a fantastic report to run. Polls will go up. Polls will go down. However what will not change are the details — 12 million new jobs since he was elected president, which is a report, historic report, together with the best progress in manufacturing jobs in 40 years, report low unemployment, 3.5 p.c, I ought to say the bottom in 50 years.

So he is bought a fantastic financial report to run on. Inflation is coming down. That is clearly been a difficulty.

However I believe he is bought a fantastic report to run on, and I believe the polls will bounce round as they all the time do. However because the president mentioned final night time, you simply quoted him. Do not evaluate me to the Almighty, evaluate me to the choice.

BREAM: That is certainly one of his strains. I believe we’ll hear many times.

You speak in regards to the economic system nevertheless it’s not translating to the common American. Our polling additionally exhibits that when folks had been requested how personally you are doing, as a result of it is all about our households and the way they’re doing below roof, 70 p.c of them mentioned issues are literally getting worse for them. I imply, that is taking place on the president’s watch.

VAN HOLLEN: Effectively, I believe certainly one of stuff you’re seeing in polling today is a superb polarization between Democrats and Republicans even on questions like how are you feeling on the economic system. In case you take a look at —

BREAM: But it surely was nearly all of Democrats throughout the ballot additionally mentioned issues had been getting worse for them.

VAN HOLLEN: Proper. So, the difficulty of inflation has been very actual. The excellent news is it’s coming down. The opposite excellent news is the newest financial report exhibits that individuals’s actual wages are going up. So, wages have now been going off, particularly for decrease and center revenue households at a quicker tempo than inflation.

So, these are actual beneficial properties and I believe they’ll to proceed. So, look, clearly, what’s taking place within the economic system can even change, however I believe the structural items of it are sound, and that is what is going on to be necessary going into the election.

BREAM: What do you make in regards to the debate over his age? As a result of each NBC and CBS have ballot out that present, together with Democrats, they’re very apprehensive in regards to the problem of age.

“Axios” writes this: Even a few of Biden’s shut advisors concede his age has diminished his power, considerably limiting his schedule.

Michelle Goldberg writes over at “The New York Instances” — she thinks he is a fantastic president however provides this: It is arduous to disregard the toll of Biden’s years irrespective of how arduous elected Democrats strive.

She says primarily he needs to be taking a victory lap, not watching a reelection marketing campaign.

So what about this problem of age?

VAN HOLLEN: Effectively, I noticed the president final night time. He was in preventing kind. I noticed him on the occasion with the South Korean president, once more, nice press convention.

So, look, I believe folks ought to decide presidents on their efficiency and their report, not their age. And the president has a fantastic report. I talked about among the financial components.

He is additionally one of the vital protecting presidents in latest historical past in the case of a legislative report, main bipartisan victories, proper? The — we had the infrastructure invoice. We had the CHIPS and Science invoice to verify we’re aggressive vis-a-vis China and others, and the veterans’ well being care invoice. And there have been additionally main wins when it got here to bringing down the price of pharmaceuticals and deploying extra clear power.

So, Shannon, what I’d say is simply take a look at his report. That is what we needs to be judging folks on, not age.

BREAM: What do make of Senator Joe Manchin, certainly one of your Democratic colleagues, who may be very vital a kind of main legislative successes for the president, for the White Home? The Inflation Discount Act, he says it isn’t being applied in the best way that it was written, and he is speaking about if there was a vote of repeal, he would vote for it.

And he is been voting with Republicans fairly a bit on quite a lot of key points just lately. I imply, he is bought numerous criticism for this president.

VAN HOLLEN: Effectively, Joe Biden is doing what any senator ought to do, which is sticking up for his state and utilizing his leverage nevertheless he can, and that is what Joe Biden is doing in the case of —

BREAM: Joe Manchin.

VAN HOLLEN: Excuse me, I am sorry. Joe —

BREAM: They’re two Joes.

VAN HOLLEN: Precisely. That is what Joe Manchin is doing in the case of these points. He is preventing for West Virginia and utilizing his leverage wherever he can.

So, look, I believe if you happen to take a look at the outcomes of the Inflation Discount Act, individuals are already seeing their prescription drug prices coming down, folks on Medicare. That is actual, as is the deployment of fresh power.

In my state of Maryland, we’ll have 10,000 new jobs due to offshore wind power pushed by among the financial incentives within the Inflation Discount Act.

BREAM: What do you make although of the brand new estimates which might be popping out on that invoice, because it’s enjoying out in actual time, saying it is truly going to be far more costly that we thought was going to be on points like inexperienced power?

VAN HOLLEN: Effectively, initially, we have now some buffer room, proper? The invoice decreased the deficit over a 10-year interval by over $250 billion. The truth that there is a larger urge for food for clear power is definitely a superb factor when it comes each to jobs and coping with the local weather disaster. In order that invoice has a built-in buffer, not like most of the payments our Republican colleagues handed, just like the, you already know, Bush — the Trump tax cuts. This was truly one thing that decreased the deficit.

BREAM: Okay. We’ll watch as these numbers proceed to return in.

I need to ask in regards to the problem up entry since you talked about the president being on the market, being vigorous. He hasn’t accomplished a critical sit-down with one of many main newspapers. Our polling exhibits that 76 p.c of individuals say he must be holding common press conferences. He isn’t doing that.

“The New York Instances” famous this week: He has held the fewest information conferences since President Reagan. The “Axios” put this fashion: The White Home is mainly hiding Biden as he auditions for an additional time period.

Does that lack of entry feed this narrative that he’s lower than the job and his employees is mainly conserving him behind closed doorways and that is how they plan to run the marketing campaign, very like they did throughout 2020, as a result of we needed to due to COVID?

VAN HOLLEN: Effectively, Shannon, the president has been doing what he needs to be doing, which goes out across the nation and assembly with folks and speaking in regards to the outcomes from his first two years. He has come to Maryland greater than every other president in my reminiscence. He is been there a number of instances speaking in regards to the infrastructure, modernization invoice, creating new tunnels making journeys quicker for commuters.

So, I believe what he is doing goes across the nation and speaking on to folks. I do know the Washington press corps all the time desires to listen to extra from the president.

BREAM: We do.

VAN HOLLEN: We heard from him simply the opposite day when the South Korean president was right here and so they requested him numerous questions, together with in regards to the age problem.

BREAM: So, let’s discuss debates, too, as a result of there are Democrats difficult the president throughout the major. RFK Jr. is available in on our ballot, 19 p.c. I imply, that is a hefty quantity.

He isn’t the one one who says they need to have some major debates.


ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I believe he has an obligation to democracy to debate anyway. I imply, I’d hope that he does.

CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD, HOST: Put Joe Biden upon that stage with Bobby Kennedy who’s difficult him and Marianne Williamson and whoever steps as much as the plate and let’s have a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) dialogue, you already know?


BREAM: A bleep on Sunday morning.

Why not?

VAN HOLLEN: Effectively, that is as much as the president’s marketing campaign. I imply, that is early. He simply introduced his reelection marketing campaign.

These are choices each marketing campaign makes each with respect to the first and the overall. I believe the president goes to maintain his eye on the ball, which is successful the overall election. That is what’s necessary for the nation. What they resolve to do within the major, solely time will inform.

BREAM: Okay. So, within the meantime, he is bought to get by this debt ceiling problem which you all are very locked in. There’s been criticism. He says he does not need to negotiate over something. Republicans have to return to the desk.

Effectively, the speaker bought one thing handed that features elevating the debt ceiling. Who’s recreation is it now? As a result of there are Democrats, loads of people inside your get together who say, okay, the president has made his level however they’ve to start out negotiating.

VAN HOLLEN: So, Shannon, what he mentioned is that he isn’t going to barter with people who find themselves threatening to actually blow up our economic system, proper? Put extra folks out of labor, drive up prices in an effort to get their means. And that is what he mentioned.


BREAM: However the (INAUDIBLE) speaker does elevate the debt ceiling.

VAN HOLLEN: It does however then it says in an effort to elevate the ceiling, we’ll lower veterans. We will lower regulation enforcement. We will lower border safety. We will lower all types of issues. We will put China again within the driver’s seat in the case of clear power.

So, what the president is saying, he isn’t going to barter with somebody who’s truly threatening the economic system, taking all the economic system hostage. He’ll sit down with Speaker McCarthy to speak about these points within the framework of the finances and the appropriations course of.

President Biden has put a plan on the desk, fairly an in depth finances, way more detailed than what Speaker McCarthy and the Home simply handed, that has $3 trillion in deficit discount over the following ten years, primarily by asking very, very rich folks, billionaires and large firms, to pay extra.

Speaker McCarthy has a plan that cuts about I believe $4.5 trillion over ten years, by dramatic cuts however threatening the destruction of the U.S. economic system. So —

BREAM: When do they get to desk? They’re clearly far aside. However they have to get someplace.

VAN HOLLEN: What you have to do with not threaten the detonation of the economic system. So, for instance, Senator Mitch McConnell years in the past after we got here to this type of deadlock and mentioned, okay, if Congress does not need to do its job and truly pay to verify the US pays the payments, which as we are going to know, our payments which might be already due and owing. Already due and owing.

BREAM: Proper. Which, by the best way, President Biden has voted towards that as a senator.

VAN HOLLEN: Proper. However so — however if you wish to — if you wish to do this, give the president the authority to do it, topic to a veto, topic to an override. In order that’s the best way to do it.

If Republicans do not need to do what’s crucial to stop the meltdown of the economic system, left President Biden do this after which let’s negotiate on necessary points, of priorities, the way you finest obtain deficit discount.

Republicans all the time discuss lowering the deficit however they by no means need to elevate one penny in revenue taxes on very rich folks and firms.

BREAM: Yeah. They in another way have a distinction of opinion on methods to get there, however hopefully the 2 sides do have some chats about it.

Senator, thanks for coming in. Good to see you.

VAN HOLLEN: Thanks, Shannon. Good to see you.

BREAM: All proper. Up subsequent, model new FOX Information polls with some telling numbers for each the presidential primaries and for the gun-control debates. We’ll convey our Sunday panel to investigate America’s mindset heading into 2024 and slightly little bit of humor from final night time’s correspondents’ dinner.



JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And Ron DeSantis — I had numerous Ron DeSantis jokes prepared, however Micky Mouse beat the hell out of me and bought there first.


BREAM: President Biden joking about Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who might quickly be part of the race to attempt to unseat him.

Time now for our Sunday group.

“Jewish Insider” editor-in-chief and “Axios” contributor Josh Kraushaar, former State Division spokesperson and Fox Information contributor Marie Harf, former Utah Congressman Jason Chaffetz, and writer, authorized commentator and Challenge 21 chairman Horace Cooper.

Welcome to all of you.



BREAM: You made it by the thunderstorms this morning to make it right here.

OK, so let’s discuss Governor DeSantis. That is the “Politico” headline. He is bought a $110 million ticket to the White Home. He sits atop accounts poised to help his candidacy with that complete. And that is all with out him opening an official marketing campaign committee account.

Jason, you met with different main donors over in Israel this week. Will the cash be sufficient to jumpstart him the place the polls say he is lagging (ph)?

JASON CHAFFETZ (R), FORMER UTAH CONGRESSMAN AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Effectively, cash does resolve numerous issues. And once you’ve bought $110 million, greater than double anyone else, then it will go a great distance. Tremendous PACs are already on the market spending cash. You see adverts and that battle’s already on. This Florida state legislature has bought to cross a chunk of laws so he may declare. However I believe everyone understands that, sure, Ron DeSantis is – is operating for President of the US.

BREAM: OK, so here is our newest polling. That is amongst Republican major voters about who they like it this level. President Trump with that commanding lead at 53 p.c. Ron DeSantis at 21 p.c. And we trickle down from there. Nikki Haley bumping up slightly bit and Vivek Ramaswamy as properly.

However, Horace, the place do you assume this discipline stands. One headline this week, is Donald Trump inevitable. Is he?

COOPER: You already know, we’re very, very early. I’ll simply inform you, in my expertise, since 1993 I’ve not seen, after a presidential election, the loser ending up in surveys prevailing over the victor. And but you did not see that in ’93, you did not see it in ’97, you did not see it in 2001. You go all the best way, even to 2017, Hillary Clinton by no means led Donald Trump. We’re seeing now greater than a dozen instances within the final 12 months Donald Trump forward. That could be a superb place to be in.

So, there is not any doubt that there’s nonetheless a residual degree of help amongst Republicans and apparently even amongst a lot of Individuals who might now see the insurance policies of Joe Biden might remorse them.

BREAM: Effectively, our polling exhibits, as I talked about with our first two company, that President Biden just isn’t polling properly. Persons are mad at him on all types of subjects. And this ballot right here, on Democratic major voters, the primary one which we have had since RFK Jr. entered the race, and he is available in at almost 20 p.c. That is towards an incumbent president, Marie.

MARIE HARF, FORMER STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESPERSON AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Effectively, I believe there’s numerous fascinating issues in these polls. I’d additionally observe that the people who have decrease approval rankings than Joe Biden. That features Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis. So, folks discuss Biden’s approval ranking. His two essential opponents are literally much less standard than he’s.

BREAM: Effectively, once you take a look at favorability, they’re virtually equal.

HARF: However they’re — however they’re decrease.

And, look, I believe the Biden crew feels good about that marketing campaign relaunch this week. They began with this marketing campaign video about freedom, speaking in regards to the issues Republicans are doing in states, from banning books to, you already know, anti-LGBTQ legal guidelines. They usually say Joe Biden’s going to exit. He will speak in regards to the economic system. He will speak in regards to the manufacturing jobs he is helped create – his insurance policies have created. And the main candidate on the Republican facet is going through a number of prison investigations.

You already know, Ronna McDaniel was so fascinating earlier when she talked about unbiased voters. That is who elected Joe Biden. And people are the people who, I believe, are very bored with Donald Trump, do not like Ron DeSantis’ excessive tradition conflict insurance policies. And the Biden crew goes after with their messaging this week about freedom and about getting the job accomplished.

BREAM: Effectively, and on the difficulty of economic system, as a result of we all know numerous voters are swayed by that, Josh, our polling confirmed that after we discuss individuals who aren’t doing properly, as I talked about early within the present, 70 p.c of individuals say issues are getting worse for his or her households. That quantity is even greater amongst independents. I believe it is round 73 p.c. Will they vote about that or will they vote about what Marie is saying?

KRAUSHAAR: They will vote on pocketbook points. And that’s President Biden’s greatest venerability. I watched his re-election announcement, the video, did not say a factor about coverage. Did not actually speak in regards to the economic system. And it isn’t a coincidence as a result of a majority – a transparent majority of voters are apprehensive about their financial circumstances. And if we have now a recession, if the volatility within the inventory market, in 401ks that individuals are experiencing hits proper across the time of the election, anybody can – you already know, Trump, or every other Republican, is able to successful this election. And I believe that is what’s conserving Democrats up at night time, the truth that ballot after ballot exhibits a really aggressive race between even Biden and Donald Trump. This isn’t the kind of blowout that I believe some Democrats had been anticipating. So, the economic system is the x issue and it will be the largest problem for the 2024 marketing campaign.

BREAM: We additionally did numerous polling on different hot-button points, together with weapons. I need to put this up. Proposals to scale back gun violence. They’ve monumental help throughout the board for issues like background checks, which, by the best way, are largely accomplished with almost each gun sale on this nation, current gun legal guidelines, implement these, lots of people for that, and different issues you could see right here. However is there truly, Jason, do you assume, any urge for food on Capitol Hill to take a few of these, the place there may be large settlement, and put them into a chunk of laws?

CHAFFETZ: Effectively, definitely weapons doesn’t have large settlement on the market. The Biden administration only in the near past introduced that they’ll go after capturing sports activities and – and that’s not going to play properly notably within the – within the heartland.

The fact is, with a divided authorities, you are not going to have a lot of laws something cross. As a conservative, I occur to assume that that is a superb factor. I am OK with that. However I’ve bought to inform you, Joe Biden, if he does not get on the market and discuss coverage, and he hasn’t, as a result of he does not have – if you happen to discuss inflation, for example, what is the Joe Biden plan to sort out inflation. No one is aware of what the reply to that’s as a result of he does not have a plan.

So, you mix that with the shortcoming to speak and a vp who’s – who’s equally as dangerous at speaking, I believe that sort of – of scenario is – is excellent for Republicans.

BREAM: Effectively, and Horace, how a lot time do you assume Republicans are going to speak in regards to the vp since you heard what Nikki Haley mentioned this week and he or she bought numerous backlash for saying President Biden may not make it to 86, nevertheless it does solid added consideration on the vice presidential person who’s on the ticket.

COOPER: OK, So the Democrats are boosting Kamala, saying, if you happen to watch this marketing campaign video, she was throughout it some 16 or 17 instances. They’re boosting saying, you vote for Joe Biden and you will get Kamala Harris. Presumably meaning maybe he isn’t going to complete his time period.

I’d say the true reply right here is, promise or menace, as a result of she might be the least standard vp that we have now seen in 100 years, and he or she hasn’t improved. She’s had two and a half years to get higher, and he or she’s not.

One fast factor about that 2022 election. “The Nationwide Journal” and “The New York Instances” each got here collectively and so they mentioned, Election Day 2022 was 297 electoral votes for the GOP if it had been a presidential 12 months and that Republican votes outnumbered. If my Dallas Cowboys had been favored by 20 for the Tremendous Bowl and so they solely received 3, I might nonetheless rejoice. The left has determined that they’ll strive a rerun of what they did in 2022, not an actual marketing campaign, not an actual platform, however simply wedge. I do not imagine it will work.

BREAM: I rapidly need to ask about, as a result of, as I discussed, the president is below water on almost each main problem. That features the border and immigration. Title 42 goes away on Might eleventh.

“The Nationwide Assessment,” because you talked about them – oh, you mentioned “Nationwide Journal.”


BREAM: That is “Nationwide Assessment,” a unique publican, however right here – here is what they mentioned in regards to the plan that the Biden administration has put collectively. It says the plan is lawlessness atop lawlessness all the best way down. They are saying it is actually accommodating the needs of foreigners reasonably than the immigration limits which have been positioned by elected officers right here in America, Marie.

HARF: Effectively, we heard the secretary of state and homeland safety this week discuss their plan. They will surge assets to the borders. They will have these processing facilities in different international locations to try to assist stem this – this actually crush of individuals we’re seeing. However Democrats can even say to you, you already know, we have been making coverage, we have been passing payments, we have been rebuilding your communities, and Republicans in Congress have accomplished nothing about this problem that they appear to care about. It is all rhetoric. That is what you will hear.

BREAM: A fast thought or remark.

KRAUSHAAR: Sure, immigration is likely one of the weakest points for the Democrats. And the White home can discuss what they’re doing, however as soon as Title 42 goes away, and if you happen to see a surge of unlawful migrants crossing the border, it will be an enormous weight on the political fortunes of the Democratic Social gathering.

BREAM: And I believe all sides admit that’s coming in Might.

All proper, panel, thanks very a lot. We’ll see you subsequent Sunday.

Up subsequent, it’s certainly one of Washington’s greatest mysteries, who leaked that Supreme Court docket draft ruling on abortion a 12 months in the past? Now one of many justices says he is bought a good suggestion who it was. We’ll focus on with a panel of insiders who know the court docket very properly, subsequent.


BREAM: Only one 12 months in the past, and unknown individual kicked off a firestorm by leaking a draft of a Supreme Court docket ruling on abortion. The ruling, revealed by “Politico,” prompt a authorized earthquake was coming because the justices had been poised to overturn Roe v Wade. Simply this week Supreme Court docket Justice Samuel Alito informed “The Wall Avenue Journal” he has theories about who leaked up draft and why. In a second, my panel of authorized insiders, together with a number of former Supreme Court docket clerks, joins me reside.

However first, a take a look at what occurred as soon as that draft went public.


CROWD: Roe v. Wade has bought to go.

CROWD: We cannot return.

BREAM (voice over): Professional-choice and pro-life teams flooded the streets in entrance of the Supreme Court docket as quickly because the excessive stake’s draft ruling leaked. And demonstrations did not cease there.

CROWD: We mentioned pro-choice.

BREAM: As abortion rights teams protested exterior the Republican appointed justices’ houses.

The justices themselves had been shocked on the breach of belief the leak uncovered.

CLARENCE THOMAS, SUPREME COURT JUSTICE: It was past anybody’s understanding, or not less than anybody’s creativeness, that considerably would do this.

BREAM: Chief Justice John Roberts rapidly ordered the court docket’s marshal to conduct an inner investigation. However after eight months, a public assertion from the court docket indicated the marshal was not capable of finding the leaker or work out how they did it. The 9 justices left with the fallout.

THOMAS: Look the place we’re. The place now that belief or that perception is gone ceaselessly. It modifications the establishment basically. You start to look over your shoulder.

BREAM: And within the months after the tip of Roe, Gallup polling confirmed Individuals belief within the court docket dropped. When requested that summer season in regards to the polls, one of many justices who dissented from that landmark opinion sought to reassure.

SONIA SOTOMAYOR, SUPREME COURT JUSTICE: We now have to have persevering with religion within the court docket system, in our system of presidency. Persevering with the battle every day to regain the general public’s confidence.


BREAM: We now have assembled a powerhouse authorized panel to speak in regards to the court docket one 12 months after that leak, and now going through new ethics questions. Judicial Disaster Community president and former clerk for Justice Clarence Thomas, Carrie Severino, Constitutional Accountability President Elizabeth Wydra, George Washington College regulation professor and former clerk for Justice Thurgood Marshall, Steve Saltzburg, and authorized associate at Cooper & Kirk and former clerk for Justice Samuel Alito, Megan Wold.

Assume you all for giving us your time right this moment. We respect this.

One 12 months out, we nonetheless have extra questions than solutions, most of us. I need to play — learn one thing from “The Wall Avenue Journal,” Justice Alito talking out this week about this mentioned, I personally have a fairly good concept who’s accountable. It was a part of an effort to stop the Dobbs draft for changing into the choices of the courts. And that is the way it was used for these six weeks by folks on the surface as a part of the marketing campaign to attempt to intimidate the courts.

Megan, you clerked for the justice. What do you make of his feedback and the place we’re a 12 months later?

MEGAN WOLD, CLERKED FOR JUSTICE SAMUEL ALITO AND COOPER & KIRK PARTNER: Effectively, apparently, we are going to by no means know who leaked this draft opinion within the Dobbs case. Clearly, the usual for – for stating a reputation, as Justice Alito mentioned, may be very excessive. But it surely’s very clear what the intention of this individual was. It was to affect the result of Dobbs, to vary that call. And the impact was predictable. We noticed immense public stress on the justices, together with protests exterior of their houses, threats on their lives and one man showing at Justice Kavanaugh’s doorstep with the intent to kill. This in the end diminishes our confidence for all Individuals. It actually impacts all of us as a result of this individual had a vigilante impulse. What they could not accomplish throughout the regulation, they determined to attempt to accomplish exterior of it.

BREAM: He additionally talks in regards to the frustration of finger-pointing at doubtlessly the conservative justices or any individual that might help their place saying, primarily they turned targets of assassination, Carrie.

CARRIE SEVERINO, CLERKED FOR JUSTICE CLARENCE THOMAS AND JUDICIAL CRISIS NETWORK PRESIDENT: Completely. I believe that is why it is clear this wasn’t – – wasn’t somebody from the appropriate who would do that. It is — everyone from day one has understood that the objective right here to attempt to change the opinion was one thing that might come from the left. And the threats had been, clearly, focused on the conservative justices, as much as and together with a menace of assassination, doxing of the justices, doxing of the place they attend church, the place their kids go to high school. That is actually a significant issue for the justices. Security and, clearly, for the inner workings of the court docket.

BREAM: And numerous frustration as a result of we by no means bought these solutions from the Supreme Court docket’s public launch after they talked in regards to the investigation in January of this 12 months, some people admitted to investigators that they informed their partner or associate in regards to the draft Dobbs opinion and the vote depend in violation of the court docket’s confidentiality guidelines.

Professor, as any individual whose clerked there, did that shock you in any respect?

STEPHEN SALTZBURG, CLERKED FOR JUSTICE THURGOOD MARSHALL AND GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY LAW PROFESSOR: It did shock me. The justices, not less than once I was there, made it very clear, they trusted you and you were not to speak to anyone about what was occurring till an opinion was quantities. And I believe we adhered to that and – and we understood how necessary it was.

Do you assume we’re ever going to know what’s what’s your thought in regards to the long-term impression on folks with the ability to belief the court docket goes on there?

ELIZABETH WYDRA, CONSTITUTIONAL ACCOUNTABILITY CENTER PRESIDENT: Sure, completely. You already know, I believe that the leak has had, you already know, a very monumental impression on the court docket itself, on the inside workings of the court docket. I believe that, you already know, we have seen, as Justice Thomas mentioned, you already know, in your intro, mistrust contained in the court docket.

However I believe if we glance exterior the court docket, I believe the leak itself was not likely what’s triggered these modifications in ballot numbers and having religion within the Supreme Court docket. I believe it is actually extra about what was within the draft opinion that was leaked as a result of I believe most likely if you concentrate on Individuals who’re working arduous, attempting to place meals on the desk, deal with their youngsters, you already know, they most likely aren’t following the leak story tremendous carefully. However just about everybody is aware of that Roe versus Wade was overturned.

BREAM: And – and one of many criticisms got here with particular reference to Justice Thomas’ concurrence with Dobbs. I do know the individuals who object, not solely to the broader ruling, however that as properly, he mentioned this, in future instances we must always rethink all of this court docket’s substantive due course of precedents, together with Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. Here is what President Biden mentioned that day about that portion.


JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Justice Thomas’ mentioned as a lot right this moment. He explicitly referred to as to rethink the appropriate of marriage high quality, the appropriate of {couples} to make their selections on contraception. That is an excessive and harmful path the court docket is now taking us on.


BREAM: Carrie, we have heard these phrases used quite a bit, excessive. This court docket can’t be trusted, its illegitimate.

SEVERINO: Sure, I imply, so the legitimacy assaults, I believe, are actually simply quantity to call calling. We all know that these justices had been all legitimately appointed, however the president conferred by the Senate.

I believe one of many unfortune issues about that concurrence is it is allowed folks to demagogue about points that there are what the opinion is definitely about. Justice Thomas regularly writes concurring opinions that discuss different theories that perhaps he is the one one within the justice — on the court docket to carry, and definitely aren’t what is going on on earlier than the case. The court docket and the opinion made very clear is – is clearly restricted to abortion and I believe it is – it is also very clear that whereas Justice Thomas is prepared to contemplate rethinking substantive due course of, doesn’t suggest a few of these rights may not are available by different areas, as a result of Justice Thomas believes within the privileges immunity clause, which different justices do not comply with, proper? However that there definitely aren’t a lot of votes for that on the court docket proper now. I believe most of that is simply demagoguing and attempting to vary the topic from the restricted nature of that opinion itself. It is clearly important, nevertheless it does not have the impression that some individuals are attempting to henny penny about.

BREAM: Effectively, he is been within the headlights, as many others have been, just lately. Listed below are a few of them on ethics questions. “Professional Publica ” saying, Clarence Thomas’ secret lifetime of luxurious. “Self-importance Truthful,” whoops, Neil Gorsuch additionally made large cash from a Doubtful actual property deal. “Politico,” Jane Roberts, who’s married to Chief Justice John Roberts, made $10.3 million in commissions from elite regulation companies, whistleblower paperwork present.

Professor, what do you make of those requires the court docket now to step up, draft, undertake a code of conduct?

SALTZBURG: I believe it is lengthy overdue for the court docket to have a code of conduct. And these revelations are historic. You look again, except for Abe Fortus (ph), whose misconduct concerned $20,000 in a fee, you take a look at the historical past, the Supreme Court docket’s been nice about avoiding monetary improprieties and the like. And that is referred to as into query I assume the — for good motive, the ethics of this court docket.

BREAM: “The Federalist” says, although. They mentioned, the one factor that issues is creating the notion that conservative justices are corrupt. It is all a part of a concerted effort to delegitimize a Supreme Court docket that also often upholds a semblance of constitutional limits on the assertion, the one factor nonetheless standing in the best way of progressive progress.

Megan, what do you make of that, of those headlines, of those questions.

WOLD: The headlines are actually political mudslinging. The justices right here did not do something unsuitable. A few of them precisely reported transactions and a few of them did not report issues that nobody must report. The aim is precisely what – what that article mentioned, it is to affect the result of the court docket, and to take action illegitimately. There are Democrats in Congress who need to impose restrictions on the justices in an effort to exert extra management over their lives, over the lives of their spouses and in the end to affect outcomes as a result of if justices have to recuse themselves, there is not any one to take their place, and so it actually affected the make-up of the court docket and the way instances are determined.

BREAM: Sure, and, so, Elizabeth, that is coming towards the backdrop of a bipartisan name now within the Senate. There is a invoice coming collectively to drive the justices to jot down and undertake this new code of conduct. However there’s an fascinating opinion piece in “The Washington Put up” that mentioned it is potential that that’s one department infringing on one other and that actually are separate for good motive, and that there are corruption legal guidelines, there’s impeachment for the justices. They’re nonetheless subjected to these sorts of issues.

WYDRA: So, we have now checks and balances within the Structure and the Supreme Court docket is, clearly, topic to checks and balances, identical to the opposite branches of presidency. And it is required below the regulation that we have now each the looks and the truth of impartiality in the case of our judicial department. And the Supreme Court docket, as the very best court docket within the land, needs to be much more – that needs to be much more true. And so I believe the concept they don’t seem to be sure to an ethics code in the identical means that each decrease federal court docket decide is maybe counsel that the looks of impartiality, and we’ll put apart the truth for a second, just isn’t actually getting by to the general public. And so I believe it’s actually one thing that’s acceptable for Congress, doing its oversight authority, participating in its oversight authority, to contemplate whether or not reforms should be made or not.

BREAM: We’ll see if the urge for food is there, particularly in a bipartisan format.

Thanks all very a lot on your time right this moment. We respect having you in.

Up subsequent, a take a look at what hundreds of thousands around the globe name the unique love story.


BREAM: Only a fast observe, my podcast “Livin’ the Bream” drops this morning. Model new this week contains a deep dive into the story hundreds of thousands take into account the very old flame story, Adam and Eve. Take a look at my dialog with podcasts, subcultural students, and authors Gabe and Rebecca Lyons (ph). It’s the last within the sequence of podcasts on my new ebook “Love Tales of the Bible Converse.”

And you may hear all of right this moment’s program on the FOX NEWS SUNDAY podcast. Obtain and subscribe at or wherever you prefer to get your podcasts.

That is it for right this moment. Thanks a lot for becoming a member of us. I am Shannon Bream. Have a fantastic week. We’ll see you subsequent FOX NEWS SUNDAY.


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